9/11 "Truth"

[sancho23]

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/61509

I left a message with the Ron Paul camp today and ended it with a link to your 9/11 show. I know you've mentioned Ron Paul on the show before, and while you said you weren't campaigning for him, I actually did! I worked long and hard with the campaign and at the grassroots and it was an amazing experience, my first foray into becoming an Active Citizen! What turned me off eventually was the general small-minded, Us vs. Them, mentality that pervaded the sub-culture of Paul and never seemed to evolve from that.
Even more adversarial in approach are the "9-11 Truthers" who pervaded the Paul camp. I like looking into these things, but to go ahead and usurp the word TRUTH to push a war-like agenda(war against government, bad idea. . .), well that's just bullshit!

So I left a "love letter" to the Truthers who still frequent the one major Ron Paul forum I still check from time to time. Hope you like, and expect a little extra traffic today!

Thanks for your treatment of this subject, and for not going into the "tin foil hat" mentality that so much pervades the research into this subject!

Cheers

[Impermanence]

Originally Posted by sancho23

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/61509

I left a message with the Ron Paul camp today and ended it with a link to your 9/11 show. I know you've mentioned Ron Paul on the show before, and while you said you weren't campaigning for him, I actually did! I worked long and hard with the campaign and at the grassroots and it was an amazing experience, my first foray into becoming an Active Citizen! What turned me off eventually was the general small-minded, Us vs. Them, mentality that pervaded the sub-culture of Paul and never seemed to evolve from that.
Even more adversarial in approach are the "9-11 Truthers" who pervaded the Paul camp. I like looking into these things, but to go ahead and usurp the word TRUTH to push a war-like agenda(war against government, bad idea. . .), well that's just bullshit!

So I left a "love letter" to the Truthers who still frequent the one major Ron Paul forum I still check from time to time. Hope you like, and expect a little extra traffic today!

Thanks for your treatment of this subject, and for not going into the "tin foil hat" mentality that so much pervades the research into this subject!

Cheers

I'm not sure where you stand on this subject!!

But frankly if you think 9/11 was orchestrated by a bunch of fanatics living in a cave in Afghanistan, I seriously question your intelligence, or at least your level of distraction and naivety. Even with a careless examination the overwhelming amount of blatantly obvious facts you'd have to be a total idiot not to see it, never mind who stood to gain and did in abundance, or an understanding of how the duller masses are usually duped into war!!

As for war against the government, I'll leave my reply to the late great Robert Anton Wilson as he said in TSOG:

"The Gun Lobby says we need guns to protect ourselves from
the present government. Heiligefliegendekindersheisse! Have they looked at the fuckin' government lately? To protect ourselves against the fuckin' current government, each citizen needs at least 1700 tactical nuclear weapons, at least 100 earth-to-air missiles, 50,000 flame throwers, 10,000 grenade launchers, and at least a hundred times as many assault weapons as the NRA now owns, plus biological and chemical (viral) weaponry. Maybe instead of going to war with Washington, when they have us totally outgunned, we should try outsmarting the bastards?

GLAMIS HATH MURDERED SLEEP...
MACBETH SHALL SLEEP NO MORE"

But yes, there is no objective truth, only subjective opinion.

[sancho23]

read the article, you'll get an idea where I stand on the issue. . .

[KMO]

I read your post and the comment thread over on that Ron Paul site. Nicely done.

Thanks for the plug.

[Impermanence]

Originally Posted by sancho23

read the article, you'll get an idea where I stand on the issue. . .

Will do my friend, as soon as I get back, got some shopping to do!!

[sancho23]

Originally Posted by KMO

I read your post and the comment thread over on that Ron Paul site. Nicely done.

Thanks for the plug.

No problem man. I'm getting a little pre-lunch lesson in Aikido as I counterbalance all the crazies that came out to attack the article, and who obviously didn't really read it! It also gives me opportunities to spread a couple key ideas like:

Wisdom Councils

and

Belief Systems=BS

If ever there is a motivated, mostly sincere political movement that needs an injection of critical thought and psychedelic thinking, it's the Ron Paul crowd!!!

[Impermanence]

Originally Posted by sancho23

read the article, you'll get an idea where I stand on the issue. . .

I've followed you around the forum, I know you're no idiot, I like you, I've liked you. How you can subscribe to this bullshit I will never understand. In my eyes you are a fucking idiot, one super dumb motherfucker. How you can't see it? I will never understand. And to fall for this shit, man you are gullible, a soft twat. I should hate you, but I feel sorry for you. I should feel sick, but this is the Grow Report!!. Dumb. dumb, dumb people in my life!! Dumb motherfuckers!!

I'm so board being numbed with dumb people!!

[sancho23]

Wow, you're not very nice. If you're gonna make such negative statements, at least use something to back it up instead of resorting to just talking shit. Wow, I really can't believe how rude you are and how this thread just took a drastic turn into puerility!!! No thank you for that, please keep it to yourself man, there really is no place for this kind of crap on a public forum, really, grow up.

Could you perhaps be subjecting yourself to your own projections, completely unaware!?!? Have you fallen into a belief system that is circular logically? I don't know, you didn't really give any counterpoint to anything I've said, you just talked your shit. I really am holding my tongue at this point and only because I respect the integrity of this forum. I wish you would do the same and not muddy up reasonable discussion with nonsensical negativity!

I'm willing to have my beliefs and opinions and still respect yours even if they are polar opposites, so I'll act like you said none of this and instead ask you to elucidate what you mean instead of attacking someone you've never even met face to face.

Ya dig?

[Impermanence]

Originally Posted by sancho23

Wow, you're not very nice. If you're gonna make such negative statements, at least use something to back it up instead of resorting to just talking shit. Wow, I really can't believe how rude you are and how this thread just took a drastic turn into puerility!!! No thank you for that, please keep it to yourself man, there really is no place for this kind of crap on a public forum, really, grow up.

Could you perhaps be subjecting yourself to your own projections, completely unaware!?!? Have you fallen into a belief system that is circular logically? I don't know, you didn't really give any counterpoint to anything I've said, you just talked your shit. I really am holding my tongue at this point and only because I respect the integrity of this forum. I wish you would do the same and not muddy up reasonable discussion with nonsensical negativity!

I'm willing to have my beliefs and opinions and still respect yours even if they are polar opposites, so I'll act like you said none of this and instead ask you to elucidate what you mean instead of attacking someone you've never even met face to face.

Ya dig?

I apologise for thinking you are a complete and utter dickhead, I should only have said what I said in my head for fear of offending the gentle among the forum we share. I fucking despise you, you spoilt American cunt and I hope your mother dies from breast cancer soon. Is that clear enough for you?

Maybe that was a little rude, lets all agree to agree, things are O.K.

[Impermanence]

I think you're pretty cool actually, I'm just testing you.