Question.

[always on probation]

I was listening to one of Lorenzos podcast a few days ago, the one where he interviewed Daniel Siebert, and in the interview he said how the first time he tried salvia he ate the leaves and said how it was a slow onset with a longer trip, it sounded like a more enjoyable time then just a quick trip like smoking the extract.

Anyways, my question is this: If i were to buy the extract does anyone know if theres a way to make some sort of a brew or something else i can eat/drink to get the for mentioned effects? also, what have any of you experienced with eating the leaves in that fashion?

Thanks.
PLUR

[Xochipilli2012]

Greetings A.O.P!

The extract I have experience with comes from SageWisdom.org (http://sagewisdom.org), Daniel Siebert's site. And the info I have comes from there, or the pamphlet that accompanies his extract.

Salvinorin-A is best absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth. It is not known to be orally active, or at least not nearly as much as it is when absorbed through the mouth. Some speculate that digestive enzymes may destroy it in the gut.

The extract has alcohol in it and will burn when squirted directly into the mouth. To counter this, diluting with some hot water is recommended. However, the extract is more efficient not diluted, so if you can manage it undiluted, your extract will last longer. I've taken the extract directly, and it's not that bad--but it burns worse than any hard liquor I've ever tasted. (I also followed Siebert's instructions about brushing the inside of my mouth, but I didn't have, so I didn't use, any mouthwash.)

Here are his instructions for the "quid method" (http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html) which is not the extract, but is similar:

THE QUID METHOD:
A ball or cylinder of rolled-up leaves is made. This is called a quid. It is to be chewed. The leaves are chewed slowly--about one chew every 10 seconds. They are kept under your tongue between chews. For half an hour keep the quid that is being chewed, and the juice that forms, in your mouth. If you can, hold it in your mouth without spitting or swallowing. Then, after the half-hour chewing time is over, spit it all out. Have a bowl to spit into, and a towel handy. Salvia juice stains carpets and other fabrics, so be sure the bowl won't tip over.

Quids can be made from either fresh leaves or dried leaves. Those made from dry leaves are less bitter. To make a quid from dried leaves, weigh out 2-8 grams of dried leaves. A gram scale accurate enough for this can be purchased for under $50. If you have no scale, count out 8 to 28 large whole dried leaves. Place the leaves in a small bowl of cool water for 10 minutes. Once the leaves are wet and have been soaking for about 10 minutes, remove the leaves from the water, squeeze the excess water out of them, and ball them up into a quid. Some people skip this soaking step when they are in a hurry, but chewing on brittle dry leaves may be unpleasant. If you wish, you can sweeten the quid with sugar, honey, Stevia extract or an artificial sweetener like Equal®. This will make it less bitter and more pleasant to chew.

If fresh leaves are used instead of dry ones, you will need from 8 to 28 large fresh leaves.

The effect of Salvia quids can probably be increased by first treating your mouth in a special way to increase its ability to absorb salvinorin A. To do this you will need a toothbrush and an alcohol/menthol containing mouthwash such as Cool Mint Listerine®, (or any other brand that contains alcohol and menthol). Gently brush the lining of your mouth, including the tissue under your tongue, and the top surface of your tongue. This removes layers of dead cells normally present. Do not brush hard enough to cause bleeding. Then rinse with the mouthwash for at least 30 seconds. Be sure to get mouthwash everywhere in your mouth, including under your tongue. Then spit out the mouthwash and rinse once with water.

You will experience very little in the first 12 to 15 minutes of chewing. Don't be misled by this. Full effects are usually felt by 30 minutes (the time you spit out the quid). They remain on this level for about 30-60 minutes more, then start to decrease. The whole experience seldom lasts longer than an hour and a half, but this varies.

Note: with the extract, I felt something within 4 minutes.

Hope this helps!

Peace

[always on probation]

yeah, i read all that. What I was really wondering about was the extract available to me around my area is the dark material you get at the smoke shops. usually the 10 or 20x usually sold in 1gram packets. I didn't want to smoke it, but digest it in the mouth or something. I was thinking i could make a brew out of a pinch of it or something to that nature. Thank You.

[Little Elf]

Are the hallucinations much different between chewed leaves and smoking low doses of extracts on weed?

my low dose 40x smoking experiances sounds like chewing leaves to what I've heard and read. Although the salvia is experienced for hours the visual "hallucinations" become nonexistent to boring after 20 minutes on average (I'm salvia energized for about as long as the weed lasts 2-4 hours).

[Little Elf]

I would actually understand that the material injested in these 2 methods are different and would have differing results.