MDMA Comic Tract - ADAM & EVIL?!

[Xochipilli2012]

This is a PDF version for the tract I recently received from Erowid. It is done by Jack C. Trick in the same "Chick Comics" style as the one about LSD:

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[Manila_Housecat]

:eek: Sweet! Where can I get one?! :D

[London Eye]

Excellent depiction of the history of ecstasy. Thanks for that Xochipilli2012. I was with it till the last bit and the suggestion that entheogens created religion. To me this is speculation, nothing more. And, also, it doesn't even stand up logically.

Either there is a prime mover, a consciousness, an intelligence, that came before everything, that created everything, including mushrooms and all plant-based entheogens and all the chemicals that man can use to produce synthetic entheogens, or the plants create a religious feeling, which means that the religious feeling, the sense of awe at the magnificence of the universe is a by-product of the plants and therefore an illusion (unless we deduce that the plants are God and existed before time). If it is the plants that create the religious, mystical state then the plants are creating an illusion of an intelligence that existed before time which means they have no real value and are simply creators of delusional states.

It cannot be both. It seems to me the proponents of the "plants create religion" are in essence atheists who do not believe in a prime mover. If a prime mover, creator, consciousness exists, it existed before plants, it created plants as a way to possibly access the creative consciousness in a fast-track way or maybe as a later aid to a fallen civilisation, but this also suggests that access to the creator existed before plants and a connection can be made without plants. Spontaneous mystical experiences have been well documented for centuries.

So religion/mysticism/spirituality came before plants teachers. I believe this is a reasonable and logical assumption.

The suggestion that all the religions in all the world have kept the secret of entheogen use well hidden with not a peep for centuries is a conspiracy theory. Not to say it cannot be true, but on balance of probabilities, unlikely. We have to be wary of taking the musings of psychedelic writers as gospel. All dogma is pernicious. Mystical states can and have been reached in many ways without use of sacred plants for centuries.

[Xochipilli2012]

It cannot be both. It seems to me the proponents of the "plants create religion" are in essence atheists who do not believe in a prime mover. If a prime mover, creator, consciousness exists, it existed before plants, it created plants as a way to possibly access the creative consciousness in a fast-track way or maybe as a later aid to a fallen civilisation, but this also suggests that access to the creator existed before plants and a connection can be made without plants. Spontaneous mystical experiences have been well documented for centuries.

So religion/mysticism/spirituality came before plants teachers. I believe this is a reasonable and logical assumption.

Hiya London Eye,

Thanks for your interesting comments!

I wonder if a 3rd possibility might be considered? If one accepts the possibility that "all is one," that everything is inextricably connected, from the most distant galaxy to the bacteria in our gut, then perhaps the "religious sense" arose organically out of the whole as humans became more and more sentient, developed language, the awareness of "history" and their own "future mortality" etc. and somewhere along the line, even as they were become more "separate" from the whole (as they became more sentient and started dividing everything up with words--with a dualistic consciousness), the plants started "speaking to them" like the old Doral ciggie commercials in the states (during the 60s and early 70s, folks): Taste me! Taste me!

It's a mystery how our Indian brothers and sisters in the Amazon know, out all all the thousands of plants there, which plants have the "spirit molecule" (DMT) and those with the beta-carbolines (such as the ayahuasca vine herself) needed to make it orally-active. But when interviewed they respond "the plants told us."

The tract does make a kind of M. Hoffman-like claim about the origin of religion. I don't automatically accept that. But I find Terence McKenna's thoughts on plants and early human consciousness to be very compelling. I am no expert on "early man" so I cannot speak to Mark Pesce's claims about the development of the human species at the beginning of Psychedelic Salon 115 where he says that our genetic form had established itself around 150,000 years ago, and the first symbol-using "human culture" emerged between 35,000 and 70,000 years ago. That's a lot of time where nothing was written down with plenty of potential interaction between the plant world and the emerging human experience.

I don't buy M. Hoffman's "conspiracy theories" about entheogen-use being excised from all but a very few religions for a couple reasons.

1) Even if those systems with written "holy books" made an effort to redact or obscure references to sacred plants, many of their adherents would still have left settlements or archeological evidence of the substances used. We have plenty of physical evidence of mind-altering plant use in the archeological record of many cultures. Similar evidence also exists for some religious groups--including artifacts with symbols pertaining to their religion, evidence of dietary restrictions from stored foods, garbaged dumps, and fossilized human waste, etc. In the case of early Christianity, 2000 years ago is not all that long ago insofar as archeology is concerned. This doesn't mean physical evidence supporting the theory that what became "orthodox Christianity" was a secret mushroom cult won't eventually be discovered. But it hasn't (to my knowledge, at any rate) been thus far.

2) Some of these traditions continue very vibrantly to this day--and are still "bearing fruit" in terms of "enlightened" adherents and teachers. It's not as if all the enlightened Buddhists or Vedantists, or Sufis, or whatever only existed 1000 or 2000 years ago. These traditions continue to this day. If they are all becoming "enlightened" through the drug-induced ego death theory modality, I think it would be hard to keep that cat from getting out of its bag.

I am not an "atheist." But I'm also not a "theist" in the sense of believing in a personal deity with a human-like personality who takes an odd interest in human affairs, intervening at times and remaining curiously absent at others. Whenever I try to wrap my little monkey brain around the fact that ANYTHING "exists" -- with or without a "creator god" I awe-struck in the most literal sense. It's a FUCKING MYSTERY! And with it conveniently categorized as such, slapping a label on it, I can get through the rest of my life without my knees buckling.

In a sense I'm currently working with "monist" reality map with a transparent overlay of pantheism. As a convention I will refer to a divinity with a creative, feminine quality. I find it enjoyable to refer to "the goddess" in certain contexts--I enjoy the "vibe" or psychological state imbued with this notion. But I don't think of any "deity" as "other" or separate. I think we, the flies buzzing outside, the pebble in our shoe, and the Andromeda Galaxy are all "god." There is nothing that is not "god." But I try not to "follow" this as "belief" as much as a "cosmological model." Because...I just don't know.

And even though I have this model, I sometimes "talk to god." I don't know if it is my Judeo-Christian background at work, but there it is.

It's always nice to hear your perspectives, London Eye!

Thanks!!

[Ostritt]

London Eye:It cannot be both. It seems to me the proponents of the "plants create religion" are in essence atheists who do not believe in a prime mover. If a prime mover, creator, consciousness exists, it existed before plants, it created plants as a way to possibly access the creative consciousness in a fast-track way or maybe as a later aid to a fallen civilisation,

Just another monist point to make. I think you're missing a third possibility, which is that we are the prime movers and entheogens simply allow us to know ourselves as such. Food of the gods for thought.

Also, have you read Graham Hancock's Supernatural? I'm only about a third of the way through but it's fascinating, especially the sections on the theory that cave art developed as a response to the psychedelic experience... there's a lot to go into, best just to read the book! Peace

[Blazing Glory]

Oh my God, best educational experience ever. This weed is incredible! Haha! That was a really interesting read. I've only ever done MDMA a couple of times, both times after special packages from Belgium. Is there a big MDMA scene in Belgium? Anyway, both times were amazing. I used it in a recreational sense, i.e. I went out to a club; Grimy Electro all the way baby! Ever since I've really wanted to use it in a setting that will allow me to really get into the experience alot more. I want to do it at home ideally, with a few friends and some good weed (I always have to have weed when trying new things, I find it provides much needed stability. Tangent.) and then really experience it to its full.

If it has half as much power and significance as what I've just read then this drug could heal alot of hurt in the world.