Sex Is Fun...Play with it!

[scaredstraight]

Within a thread started by Xochiphilli that discussed subjects for future episodes of Psychonautica, was the subject of 'Sex and Psychedelics' (paraphrasing a bit.) The discussion, back and forth, brings up a lot of good points and connections between the two worlds and how they are historically connected as well as how they may be integrated. Before that discussion had progressed much farther, I thought it might be nice to pull it out on its' own for everyone to participate!

I would also like to suggest that everyone listen to another podcast called 'Sex Is Fun' which gives some hints, some sources, some subject matter, and possibly some guests/sources that may be useful to an episode(s) of Psychonautica. This podcast has lead me to authors/podcasters and ideas to numerous to list in this one posting.

You may occassionally find on some of these sex related podcasts that there is a negative look at the use of entheogens (DRUGS!), though this seems to be hypocritical when one listens a bit further. Some of the substances used in products and techniques that they talk about are clearly linked to entheobotanical substances, and eastern religion/philosophy/practices.

Come to think of it, if enough of us...crossed over with their audience. Well, the material and subject matter could be quite useful and interesting.:rolleyes:;);)

[Terrapin Tom]

Come to think of it, if enough of us...crossed over with their audience. Well, the material and subject matter could be quite useful and interesting.:rolleyes:;);)
Not really. I could care less and wouldn't be interested in listening to people talk exclusively about their sex life (real or imaginary) in a trip report. I guess a few couple's trip reports could be interesting, but I would be bored by two guests seriously discussing specific details of their relationship. Unless they had a lot of funny stories, or were unintentionally ridiculous and Max had secretly dubbed in the Benny Hill theme, I'd probably be fast-forwarding.

[scaredstraight]

Yeah...well, trip reports were not really what I had in mind. And, someone's sex life isn't really what I had considered either. The title was a 'hook' designed to lure the positive, the negative and the curious. The title is also a tag line used in that particular podcast.

http://www.greatsexgames.com/podcast/


I was more interested in the history, pharmacology, origins, connection between physical and metaphysical relationships, tantra, sense enhancement, empathic enhancement (such as from MDMA,) etc. The history and use of psychedelics and entheogens contains chapters of sexuality that deserve a look that the more 'conservative' and repressed portions of society deem as negative. From the far east to the pre-Columbian Americas, entheogenic sex practices and physical-metaphysical melding have occurred and then were lost thanks to conquering forces that looked upon them as savage, pagan or indecent.

My interest is in reclaiming a bit more of our entheogenic and shamanic heritage...and enjoy a little bit more of life.;)

[braha_kahn]

It's a subject that intrigues me big time... Definitely if you mix in History. If you know that there used to be sacred prostitutes, some kind of priests & priestesses who had sex for divine reasons. Which is accepted in mainstream history...

Then if you mix in the sacred wines or the entheogens that were most likely used for divine practices, then you have a hell of a history lesson don't ya? :D

It's a piety sex became what it is nowadays. A product, something dirty and ugly... It's a real piety we forgot how sacred/divine sex is!!! :mad:

OH well

[Xochipilli2012]

It's a piety sex became what it is nowadays. A product, something dirty and ugly... It's a real piety we forgot how sacred/divine sex is!!! :mad:


Brother Braha Kahn...

First, much respect for coming onto an English-language forum. I want to say this because I'm having fun with a word you may have misspelled, because the "mistake" actually relates to the subject matter--the concepts of "sacred sex" and "profane sex."

The word you may have wanted is "pity."

Piety in French is: piété

Piety in German is: Frömmigkeit

I don't completely trust Babelfish for the Dutch because it also translates 'piety' as "piety."

But "pity" in Dutch is: medelijden, in French: pitié, and German: Mitleid.

But you know what? I think maybe you wrote exactly what you meant--because the people who have most destroyed sex's sacred nature in our culture are people who often claim much "piety"!!! :D

Take 'er easy!

[braha_kahn]

Took a while before I understood what you've meant... Anyway English ain't my native language so I will make more mistakes, sorry for that

So if I understand correctly your saying the religious devotional people destroyed sex right?

[scaredstraight]

So if I understand correctly your saying the religious devotional people destroyed sex right?

I'd say YES! Probably because it was something that they couldn't control otherwise. "It's bad, it's evil...unless you do it our way!" (which recently seems to mean with a priest.) :D

My history is sketchy on this subject but, didn't a particular saint bring about the whole piety and chastity issue? Perhaps the same one that was quoted as saying, "God, grant me chastity...but not yet." I'm not even sure if I got the quote right.

At any rate the subjects of sex, marriage and child bearing gave the church a great deal of control, power, money and future followers. Always an alterior motive within each dogmatic staple.

OH! Good to have you on the forums!

[Pursewarden]

I'd say YES! Probably because it was something that they couldn't control otherwise. "It's bad, it's evil...unless you do it our way!" (which recently seems to mean with a priest.) :D

My history is sketchy on this subject but, didn't a particular saint bring about the whole piety and chastity issue? Perhaps the same one that was quoted as saying, "God, grant me chastity...but not yet." I'm not even sure if I got the quote right.

At any rate the subjects of sex, marriage and child bearing gave the church a great deal of control, power, money and future followers. Always an alterior motive within each dogmatic staple.

OH! Good to have you on the forums!

Sounds like you are thinking of St. Augustine and his confessions. He was the one who gave rise to the idea of forbidden fruit tasting sweeter.

If you've heard this story, then I'm sorry, but it goes something like this: Augustine used to sneak into his neighbors yard and steal his apples even though he had his own apple tree. When questioned as to why he always stole his neighbors apples even though he had his own, he responded that 'Forbidden fruit tastes sweeter."

After living this crazy life of wine, woman and song, he decided to renounce his evil pagan ways and settle down and become a good guy before he died so that he would get salvation.

And this goes hand in hand with a movement back in the day called, Neoplatonism. Basically this is where the Christians got the idea that the body was bad, but the spirit was good.

[crowley666]

Going (just slightly) off topic. The roman catholic faith has not always demanded that their priests etc were celibate. This only came into being after the church realised it was losing a lot of it's land to the wives and heirs of the priest after he died.

[scaredstraight]

Sounds like you are thinking of St. Augustine and his confessions. He was the one who gave rise to the idea of forbidden fruit tasting sweeter.

If you've heard this story, then I'm sorry, but it goes something like this: Augustine used to sneak into his neighbors yard and steal his apples even though he had his own apple tree. When questioned as to why he always stole his neighbors apples even though he had his own, he responded that 'Forbidden fruit tastes sweeter."

After living this crazy life of wine, woman and song, he decided to renounce his evil pagan ways and settle down and become a good guy before he died so that he would get salvation.

And this goes hand in hand with a movement back in the day called, Neoplatonism. Basically this is where the Christians got the idea that the body was bad, but the spirit was good.

Yes, that is precisely the one! Thank you.

My mind isn't what isn't what it used to be (or probably never was as good as I thought it was, really.)

But, yes that is it.

[scaredstraight]

Going (just slightly) off topic. The roman catholic faith has not always demanded that their priests etc were celibate. This only came into being after the church realised it was losing a lot of it's land to the wives and heirs of the priest after he died.

Not so off topic, really.

Loss of land and riches, and creating new dogma to sustain what theologically shouldn't be important.

The theme of money, power, and keeping the church intact being more important than the fundamentals on which it was based or its' followers just keeps poking its' head out. Faith, being of faith, believing in something greater, living as virtuous an existence as you believe in; these things aren't wrong or bad. But, others will always take advantage of the faithful for their own self interest.

Those in power will take away anything that is perceived as a threat to that which they covet. Like sex and sacraments that take them out of the loop when followers are connecting to a higher power. Being obsolete or unnecessary leads to a loss of power, prestige and wealth.

I am sorry. I find myself 'soapboxing' way too often anymore.

Let me say that I accept all from all faiths, but just have problems with some of the structures and organizations. Especially within historic context.

[Pursewarden]

"On a physical level, BDSM "sensation play" often involves inflicting pain, even if without actual injury. This releases endorphins, creating a sensation somewhat like runner's high or the afterglow of orgasm, sometimes called "flying", which some find enjoyable."

http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/BDSM

I'm not sure if anyone is into BDSM, but I know that one of the benefits (Not sure what to call it) is an experience known as Flying.

I've heard flying referred to as the fast track to enlightenment. And seeing that BDSM is a way of confusing the brain to the point where it believes pleasure to be pain, I can see how this may connect to drugs that tell the brain similar things. I've only had an experience with Salvia, but I can understand the connection between the two activities.

The word 'play' is also used when referering to different sexual games, such as "Role-play" or "Edge-Play," so why shouldn't you enjoy sex and play with it? It has to be one of the cheapest legal highs you can get that works.

[max_freakout]

I'm not sure if anyone is into BDSM, but I know that one of the benefits (Not sure what to call it) is an experience known as Flying.

I've heard flying referred to as the fast track to enlightenment.

That sounds like a reference to egodeath theory. A BDSM session is much like an egodeath, the 'submissive' person voluntarily relinquishes their control for the purpose of exploring an experience. BDSM and psychedelics both explicitly raise the issue of surrender and consent