my first grow

[herodian]

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=141363

i really cannot be bothered to post twice... but here does allow much bigger images..

anyway... any important news i'll post here :)

[herodian]

5 seeds from 24 so far. not bad for year old, not looked after seeds.bought lamp and feed stuffs today. 195 quid lighter now :(

[herodian]

2 seeds grow an inch each in 10 hours today. wow.

i'm enjoying this. i'll be posting pics on the above link later...



oh hang on.. you have to register. i'll post a couple here :)

[Oldbay]

Sounds like things are going good. I'm not registered there, so if your bored, I'm sure some of us wouldn't mind seeing them here as well.

Good luck, and don't love them to death with too much water and nutes.

[herodian]

i promise i will put some up later when i install a fan or two. will also be able to show my space.. amazing what people will do to grow.

after some thought, im going to buy some Lowryder / 2 at the weekend. i need small ass plants plus i get the impression they dont smell as much (except the NYCD one)

[herodian]

just putting them down for the night, but managed to catch this.

bit blurred, but the growth rate is phenominal (sp).

i'll try and get some pics on the real camera tomorrow... but im off to see Meshuggah so not sure if I'll be able to.

[sdsoils22]

very nice! especially that one going crazy in the back!!

[Oldbay]

keep up the good work. Beware of strech though, you want the plant to be lows and bushy, not tall and stringy. To do that you have to keep them close to the lights, without frying them. :o

[herodian]

the stretch really is a juggling act.. but it's all cool. i should really get another light in there as they are all leaning to the centre where it is now.

no pics today which is a shame as most now have 4 (iccle) leaves. awwwwww.

[herodian]

a selection of pics after a little rearrange and fan / temp monitor install.

the airing cupboard is my grow room. its going on the floor with lamp hanging from shelf. bags of compost in way right now..

im trying to find a 'something' for that gap so it is actually contained, but if not i'm not overly fussed as it is painted white etc. i was thinking of a long SCROG.

damn, just realised i didn't rotate the pics. very sorry.

im happy because i have finally moved away from manual lighting.. yes, i was getting up early to switch lights on.. meh.

any hoo... 7 days in (seventh day today) and i'm happy. 2 more weeks and fingers crossed..flowering time..

[Oldbay]

Looking good. Always a fun time at that stage. Just figure something out to keep light from the top area out, while the bottom area is supposed to be dark.

[latewood]

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=141363

i really cannot be bothered to post twice... but here does allow much bigger images..

anyway... any important news i'll post here :)Good Luck. Personally I don't go offsite through links. We would much better enjoy your presentation if it were on this page.

And; I am not one to really preach about not being bothered...but when you post like that...many other people might decide that they cannot be bothered either. just a hint.

[herodian]

Good Luck. Personally I don't go offsite through links. We would much better enjoy your presentation if it were on this page.

And; I am not one to really preach about not being bothered...but when you post like that...many other people might decide that they cannot be bothered either. just a hint.

noted. i'll make the effort :)


oh dear.... averted disaster today.


NB: do not use a fan unless you really need to cause it dries out the plants very quickly.


7:00 AM woke up to find all plants keeled over. couldn't figure why as i watered them yesterday afternoon. on change was adding of fan yesterday. leaves still green, soil dry as a bone. added water, switch off fan and moved light as close as possible.

11:30 AM check in again. 4 plants have picked back up. phew. give little more water and get lamp as close as possible. i really need more cfl's. i'll check gain before we pop out.


this is why i am glad i didn't spend £60 on those lowryder seeds. yet.

i'll sort some pics later today when back.

[herodian]

taken yesterday before bed time (8:00pm)

i'm a little worried about one of the plants leaves, but hopefully the feed i gave them tonight should help sort that... it may just be a little light scorching though... anyone care to suggest? plants are only 4 cm at most away from the light. i'm quite chuffed because i think it's stablised the height but maybe at the cost of the leaves..

guess we'll find out.

maybe more pics later but probably tomorrow.

[Oldbay]

sorry for the caps. Don't give them anything to eat yet. You'll love them to death. No ferts until they three sets of real leaves. Watch the watering.

[Zandor]

Do I see a little burn in the third picture?

Just wondering,

Peace

Z

[herodian]

Do I see a little burn in the third picture?

Just wondering,

Peace

Z

possibly. that one shot up in height not long after germing. other users on 420 have suggested nute burn but i hadn't added any.

i'm not overly concerned, i am being careful, but i'm not rethinking the whole thing. should I be?

i'm happy you finally added your comments Z :) thank you :)

[herodian]

1/2

taken earlier today, with and without flash

[herodian]

2/2

today, with and without flash.

[Zandor]

May I ask what soil mixture and brand are you using to sprout your seeds?

What is the temperature of your soil, seedlings like a soil temperature around 85-88 degrees F to keep the roots warm.

controlling the complete environment is key to producing female plants, even at this point.

What is the type and Ph of the water you are using?

What is the Ph of the soil they are sprouting in? That too makes a big difference in what the sprouts can uptake.

It does look like nutrient burn from an out of balance Ph to me. Tooth picks will help you stabilize them as they grow into seedlings.

Just a few thoughts.

Peace

Z

[herodian]

blimey..

give me a couple of hours to have a coffee, check in with work etc,and i'll get some numbers.

i bought mineral water last night for them. i like to spoil. i'll get my readings before i add any of it though.

[herodian]

May I ask what soil mixture and brand are you using to sprout your seeds?

What is the temperature of your soil, seedlings like a soil temperature around 85-88 degrees F to keep the roots warm.

controlling the complete environment is key to producing female plants, even at this point.

What is the type and Ph of the water you are using?

What is the Ph of the soil they are sprouting in? That too makes a big difference in what the sprouts can uptake.

It does look like nutrient burn from an out of balance Ph to me. Tooth picks will help you stabilize them as they grow into seedlings.

Just a few thoughts.

Peace

Z

Soil: Leverington Seed and Cutting Compost. very worryingly ,when i tested the pH of the soil earlier, it was RED. The cart only goes up to orange!

Water... generic tap water. I would have said it was that but that came out at a happy nueteral. havn't tested it for specifics.

soil temp, not sure... but the room temp is a level-ish 82-85F.

the colour is coming back to the edge of those leaves, but i need to sort out the pH of the soil. I have started watering with mineral water in a hope to use proper clean water.. the stuff that comes out of the tap here is filthy.

i'm keen to repot as i want to submerge some of the stem. a couple are getting lanky and i hope that this will help keep the height under control and also bring them all back to the same canopy height??

may have some pics later. caught the missus taking some earlier... messed up the 'floor plan' in the process...grrr :D

[herodian]

i think i have another death. waiting for conf, but not looking good.

i think it's my fault. maybe not enough water?

got in from work last night to find all stalks ok, but all leaves , fucked / wilted etc. Gave them water and went out. 3 of 4 have perked back up but one hasn't.

i'll update later with pics.

[herodian]

conf: Mr Burns (as i call him) is dead. Meh :( it was the one with the purple edged leaves. (s)he will be missed.

still 3.5 left... fingers crossed. one's looking very nice and leafy.

[queerninja]

aw...they are little cuties! good luck man :) the guys and gals will keep ya right man, but have fun and grow well :)

sorry to hear about Mr Burns :( What are the others called?

[vince noir rocknroll star]

tap water can vary way too much to use directly on plants ...are you in ahard or saoft water area?

if you go into any pet store they sell stuff that will neutralise water back to a ph of 7 ,might want to try that next time ..or if you have fish then use there dirty water ,full of nitrogen fish poo ,careful using mineral water from bottles ,they have the ph written on the label ,always check that first if your using a soil such as levingtons then may i suggest that when you put the soil into pots to give it a good flush with ph adjusted water before yes before you pop any seeds in ..this will reduce the nutrients in the soil to start with and will be more easy on seedlings ...rain water if you have the room to collect will always be a good thing so use that whenever possible ..and remember the wet dry cycle ...start with a wet pot and gradually let it dry out before re watering ..not to the point that the soil is dry and crusty ,but get to know the weight of your pots when fully wet and when they are drying out ,dont wait for the plants to wilt before watering ,basically try and copy nature .;)

[herodian]

replies, w00t!!

QN: thanks man. no names for the others yet, but Burnsy was named because of the leaf burn. Zandor suggest nute burn but i doubt it as the others seem ok. i think the tooth picks i added to his pot to stabalise growth may have been a contributing factor to his demise, but i can't be sure. Zandor: i hold no blame with you ;) tell a lie... one is called Big Jim, because of his dwarf like status. Weird one that. One of the first to sprout, yet has grown feck all.. yet hasn't died. this runt, i suspect, will be my only female, and produce rediculous amounts of bud. thats always the way, yeah?

Vinny: Would you believe it... we have fishies :) i'll see if MrsH lets me steal their water.. Pet Store; check. Will have a look. Rain water; very difficult to collect here. Levingtons; i'll check the bag. Watering: where do i start? i water at most twice a day, little its at a time. The way i tell if they need watering is if A) the pot they are in (which is plant friendly i.e it allows roots to grow through) is dry on the outside and if the soil is dry, almost crusty. I'm trying to be so careful not to over feed that i would rather they use everything up and then give them more then slowly slowly add too much over time. I think they must be due for a repot soon. Well, repot as in move the whole thing into a bigger pot.

Some q's though..

when I repot, can i cover up alot of the stem to bring the leaves closer to the soil? i want to try and make all the plants the same height for flowering.... speaking of which... it's now day 15/16/17. i'll post some pics later but... too early for flower? I have been told to wait until there are alternating 'stems' from the main one, but i am not sure if stems mean stems, or leaves.. any opinions appreciated but pics will help you :)

also... clones... when do i take them? 2 friends of mine are looking to start and i thought i would help with a little something. typing this, i realise maybe it has to be after sexing? whats the point of cloning a male (if your aim is purely smoking)?

anyhoo... hoovering, then the last of my weed, then a joint of some fucking nasty, dusty solids. meh...


EDIT: Evian pH is 7.2

[herodian]

just popped my head in the door before lights out... not good. looks like another one, the really leafy one, may be on the way out. :( i'll keep you posted but it's not looking good. Again, main stalk seems fine, but leaves / plant head is/are just falling over.

next post, tomorrow AM. sorry, no pics... got side tracked smoking.

[herodian]

quick update. couldn;t resist looking again...

seems leafy could be ok. i added some water and he seems to have perked up again. this could all be my fault as i keep forgetting.. as they grow, and need more water, ratio-ally-ish-esque.

anyway... back to Jack Dee at The Apollo.. night ya'll.


edit: qn, name count is now 3.. Mr Burns (RIP), Big Jim and Leafy. still need to name the others.

my kids would hate me, if i had any :D

[Zandor]

They would be better off with RO water pH adjusted to 6.8. As they grow RO water is great but you need to add a product called CalMag Plus to your RO water.

How close is your light?

What type and wattage of light are you using again?

There is a product called Revive by Advanced Nutrients that can help your plants recover from stress, It's a good idea to have some on hand.

http://discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=348&navid=17

Just for info, you can find it closer to you I assume.

Peace

Z

[herodian]

sorry Z.... RO? i did a search but couldn't find an answer.

light... yes... lets not talk about that right now :) it's only one, 20w cfl. i have another but no additional lamp suitable for it. i NEED to sort that out. i have a 250w 'proper' light, but am scared that at present, it will fry them.

the light is, at most, no more than 3 inches away from the plants. it sits in the middle, with (now) 3 plants around it. Tiny is sitting of to one side right now.

i will get pics later. i need to get some opinions on something.

i think, in fairness, that the edges on Burnsie were light made as it was the tallest one, and none of the others suffered the same. they all get fed the same water etc..

[queerninja]

RO stands for Reverse Osmosis...far better to drink this water than tap water too! Tap water is riddled with nasty shit :eek:

I use an RO system for drinking water...yum! It's cheaper by far than bottled water over the medium to long term, and it doesn't come with added nasty plastic chemicals that bottles do. You can buy a system on Ebay no worries.

[herodian]

RO stands for Reverse Osmosis...far better to drink this water than tap water too! Tap water is riddled with nasty shit :eek:

I use an RO system for drinking water...yum! It's cheaper by far than bottled water over the medium to long term, and it doesn't come with added nasty plastic chemicals that bottles do. You can buy a system on Ebay no worries.

cheers QN... looking it up now :)

[herodian]

hahaha, you guys mean a water filter eh? like Brita do for drinking water?

[queerninja]

hahaha, you guys mean a water filter eh? like Brita do for drinking water?

haha...yeh man! I think the RO is a lot more efficient though, and absolutely pure :) It also removes the calcium too though so I think that's what Mr Z was meaning with the Cal-mag supplement.

[herodian]

LOLZ etc :) i'll look into it.

some pics, some are BIG. taken less than 20 mins ago..

[herodian]

last 2..

now, am i going mad or am i thinking that these are male? i chose a couple of pics (prev post) that i think show the male bits.. of Leafy

[queerninja]

hehehe...I think these are a little bit young for that kinda chat man ;)

[herodian]

i thought so, but those 'iccle 'things' that are growing.

i'm going to put it down to paranoia :D (pleasenomalespleasenomales)

see what i mean about Big Jim? in't he a cutie?

EDIT: just realised.. i didn't put a pic of him up..

[cyberia2012]

last 2..

now, am i going mad or am i thinking that these are male? i chose a couple of pics (prev post) that i think show the male bits.. of Leafy

Hello Herodian! These could be forming stipules don't think there male parts as it is probly to early for that. This is a picture that I found helpfull. Good luck!

[herodian]

looks like it... nice one. thank you :D

[herodian]

was on 14/10, just switched it to 16/8 to try and stimulate some additional growth. maybe a week of that then over to 12/12....??

[cyberia2012]

I stay 18/6 for Veg though I am sure I heard or read that at seedling you can go up to 20/4, but not sure so I stay 18/6. My plants will be in Veg until I know that I will run out for space for them unless I cut to 12/12 for the flowering cycle. They can double or more in height when you go for flowering so think of your space.

[herodian]

cheers cyberia.... all taken onboard.

yellow leaves... just light burn?

[Zandor]

last 2..

now, am i going mad or am i thinking that these are male? i chose a couple of pics (prev post) that i think show the male bits.. of Leafy


They are NOTHING still, the sex of this plant (if not feminized) will not determine it's sex until the third week of true vegetation. That is why I keep saying control the environment (first few shows of the season 2 project grow) and you can control the sex. Sex is determined in the RNA rather the DNA that is how we can get Hermie's too.


don't worry your plants to death!!

Relax :rolleyes:

Peace

Z

[herodian]

:)

thanks Z.


more pics later.

[queerninja]

Aw...Little cutie! Is it bad luck to give them guy names though man??? Should we not be calling the little guys er...little girls? :D






see what i mean about Big Jim? in't he a cutie?

[herodian]

ok, i'm 'back' from my holiday. didnt go anywhere but had some serious time away from internets etc. it is part of my job, so i do like the occasional break from it.


i'll be posting pics later, with some stories of whats happened.

but, i repotted yesterday. spent an hour sieving the compost to make it lovely and fine. i need to check in on them now actually..


quick question... whats the best way to change the lighting times? if i was on 06:00 to 22:00 now, and wanted to change it to say..16:00 to 08:00.. whats the best way of doing that? leave it on till 08:00 the next day and then switch off so technically it gets 26 hours of light one day..?

ta

[cyberia2012]

Wellcome from your holiday Herodian ;) I do not know what the best way would be to change your cycle but I suspect less dark time during the change over. Though this is a guess so wait for someone who knows :D

How are the plants now?

[herodian]

due to a happy accident at work with my trousers, i have a spare hour!!

well... where do i start.

i had 4 plants till this morning when i moved a boy out of the grow. still sat on the side at the moment with half of it's leaves missing... thanks cat!

i think, fingers crossed, i have a girl!! i think i see pistles! i hope so.

some grow facts:

still only using 1 100w/20w cfl. i'm suprised how well this is going considering this alone. it has me thinking of things to build to maybe only use 1 or 2 per plant... idea's / details to come..

not going to use pete pots again. i think that they have stumped the growth due to hardness. going to go straight to sieved soil and compost in .5l pots.

the boy is / was nearly 2.5 times taller than the remaining 3.

switched to 12/12 on 15th Oct.


so... need to get pics. cause of daylight saving... now on a 5am-5pm lights on. need to try and change this but the heat of the light is probably helping at night.

so... post for now... grab some pics so see you in 15 or so..


edit: pic uploading being rubbish and i have to pop out to pay a man. back soon..

[herodian]

pic 1 should be my poss girl
pic 2, the boy
pic 3 the boy height compared to a can of Oust.

the girl is approx one third the height of the boy.

edit: i forgot to rotate. sorry.

[sttony]

Pretty good considering it only gets 20w :rolleyes: They're stretching for more light, Ya' need more light.

Do you have a fan on them?

A fan, during the whole process, from the veg cycle on (not during the seedling cycle), helps strengthen the stalks :)

[herodian]

fan added. stalks look much thicker now :)

some pics from earlier. cropped and rotated correctly.

3 here, 3 next post.

[herodian]

i also added a second light. i have 3 girls now, 2 on one light and one on the other cause of the huge difference in size of plants. only 2 are pictured. god bless angle lamps.

i'm so pleasd that this worked. i won't get much, maybe a few grams, but the experience was enough.

i think i have 6 weeks, at least, till done.

[herodian]

oh, here's the baby. same age as all the others, yet so small.. and flowering. i'm thinking 'clone this and create 'Cress Weed' :D the leaves burn very easily.

[herodian]

oh, here's the baby. same age as all the others, yet so small.. and flowering. i'm thinking 'clone this and create 'Cress Weed' :D the leaves burn very easily.

RIP

I had to do a mercy killing. Most of the few pistles had withered so it's been moved from the grow.

She will be missed.

:(

[herodian]

i just watered and noticed a load of tiny tiny little white things wriggling around in only one pot.

should i be worried?

[vince noir rocknroll star]

YES! those little fuckers are why your runt of a plant didnt do much they are the fungus gnat larvae ...ditch that soil ...clean your grow area well and next time keep an eye on tempretures if they get too high do something to lower them ..over heating attracts fungus gnats ...beer flies or whatever other name they have ..the larvae nibble the feeder roots and thus restrict growth and nutrient uptake .

[herodian]

YES! those little fuckers are why your runt of a plant didnt do much they are the fungus gnat larvae ...ditch that soil ...clean your grow area well and next time keep an eye on tempretures if they get too high do something to lower them ..over heating attracts fungus gnats ...beer flies or whatever other name they have ..the larvae nibble the feeder roots and thus restrict growth and nutrient uptake .

Feck. Thanks Vince. I have rung home and the Lady is moving that plant out now. I checked the other one at the time and it seemed ok. Is it worth ditching all and starting again or can I see it through?

[vince noir rocknroll star]

if you want to save those plants then you need to wash the roots carefully with warm not hot water not cold waterbut warm water ...making sure there are no signs of eggs or larvae on them ..and then carefully feed in new clean soil around them as you pot them up ..i would suggest that you pot them deeper too so the first set of leaves are closer to the soil ...but to be honest the runt was almost dead by the looks of it ...personally i would start new beans in clean soil ...but if you wanted to take the time to save it it can be done ..but the yield from it would be pretty crap and the time /cost of growing it wouldnt be effiecient ....but if its a job of love then save it ...

[herodian]

double feck.

well, i inspected the plants a bit more when i got home. the infected one is def infected. the only other one left seems ok...?? no movement in the soil or anything. i may take the opportunity to repot and clean at the same time. as it stands, the one plant i have left has, i guess, maybe a gram of bud on it, if that. i would love to finish it just to say i've done it, but the effort seems pointless, but... well, you know..

i'll have a think tonight about it. i've separated them now and will dispose of the plants in a moment. i'll snip the bud off it and post pics.

gotta go, it's lights out and i need to close some doors.

[vince noir rocknroll star]

take an post a pic of the plant and bud before you do anything rash ...it may be saveable and fine if the soil isnt infested ...

[herodian]

I'm down to one plant. I sided with caution and got rid of the bugged one. The one left seems ok. I have a fan on 27/4 now and have got the temp down to 23ish.

I'll post some pics tomorrow as it's nearly lights out now and you can all marvel in my pathetic, but budding lady.

[vince noir rocknroll star]

i hope you flushed the soil on the remaining lady ..just to be on the safe side ..because if you didnt i would lay money on that being infested in the next two weeks

[herodian]

thats tomorrow morning taken care of then..

cheers for the push.

[herodian]

grow 2 is on its way. i've spent the afternoon building my drobe.

this grow will be finished up this week. pics and weight :D to come..

[vince noir rocknroll star]

good stuff man ..cant wait to see your set up ;)

[herodian]

i think it's time to cut... opinions? i'm keen so i can get the light on the G-Bombs.

[herodian]

anyone?

im home for the day now as i got assaulted at the dentist for teeth and money. i now am in pain but cannot smoke.

[vince noir rocknroll star]

yeah i would cut that down ..its been totally ravaged from overfeeding by the looks of it ...so when you finally get to smoke it remember it will probably crackle and taste like shit ..sorry man ...dont waste any more leccy on that plant ...

[Steeldiehard]

Hi H,

Quite an experience for ya, eh? :) Are you able to check the trichome color with a microscope? Doing so will definitely tell you when its ready to cut.

Although I agree with vince about moving on, it may be to your benefit to completely go through the motions of finishing properly. Meaning, flush the plant with pH balanced water without any nutrients for the next couple weeks, and checking the color of the trichs along the way...milky and amber mix is commonly what you are looking for. Hell, you've gone this long...another couple weeks ain't gonna kill ya. :)

Interesting grow...you persevered and educated yourself a bit. :)

Best,

Steel

[herodian]

im mainly amber, but with fresh milky down the main stem.

i think i'll cut. i only really was wanting a 3rd opinion, and that will do.


weights to come, snigger...


edit: sorry V, didn't see your reply. overfeeding? no feed (bar once way back) has gone anywhere near. watered only with Evian too... same this time. ah well.. a lesson none the less.

so, may as well just cut near the bottom and hang the whole thing upside down eh?

[herodian]

She's down and currently being dried, quickly. Shouldn't take long as there is feck all to her. Trimmed the big leaves and then one cut at the bottom near the soil. Sure she's small but at least it's a girl :)

Anyway, light now on the G's so they have one each. This diary is now one post from me away from being done. Some pics and final dry weight to come, along with some of the things I have discovered for next time round.

[vince noir rocknroll star]

good point steel ..allowing herodian to see the plant through to the last would give him the benfit of one full grow under his belt..no feed ya say herodian ...well then its either your soil was toxic and totally unbalanced in nute ratios ,the evians ph was too high thus blocking nute uptake ,the light wasnt bright enough ..or it was a pooey plant ...what was it btw ..do you know the strain name per chance ?

if it was a lowryder then fair play you do get plants like that ,skimpy to say the least ..ive had em ..barely enough for 1 joint ..but if it wasnt then something from the list above applies im afraid..at least your fingers are a bit greener now than before ,glad you not disheartened by this attempt ..so many are put off when things dont turn out accordingly ...never fear itll all come good in the end ;)