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cyberia2012
05-25-2008, 07:56 PM
Here are some thoughts and experiences I would like to share. Recently, I've been experimenting with Calea Zacatechichi otherwise known as Dream Herb or Bitter Grass amongst other names.

The traditional use of the herb is to enable the user to awaken within a dream, and grants them the ability to control dreams as they see fit. More importantly, is the possibility of moving into the realm of the non-conscious mind, and observing the symbols and currency of that non-verbal part of ourselves.

I was intrigued by this idea. The coolness factor alone, of being able to design and pilot the limitless shifting landscape of the mind would be reason enough to buy and smoke some of this stuff. The fact that it could also serve as a gateway to something more spiritual self-reflection and introspection sealed the deal for me. I was going to buy some.

There are a few ways to ingest this herb. You can brew a tea, smoke it, or reduce a brewed tea to a gel substance and swallow the gel in raw, or in capsule form.

Tea is rancid. This herb is not called Bitter Grass for no reason. Unfortunately, bitter doesn't come close to describing it. It's even worse than Poppy Tea or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. This option is masochism. If you are considering tea, use 2-3 grams.

Smoking is my current method of ingestion. Smoking a substance creates a faster onset of more of the herb, and ultimately a faster metabolisation. Therefore the active effects appear stronger, but over a far shorter duration. Every ingestion method of all substances have plus and minus sides. 1-2 grams of the herb should be smoked.

Smoking 1-2 grams of anything takes a little time. But, keep puffin :) I would use a vaporizer if possible, to reduce the carcinogenic impact of the smoke of burning anything. Otherwise, get some vegetable cellulose rolling papers instead of paper.

Avoid cannabis :( Cannabis suppresses dreams. This is probably because of the inhibitory action that cannabis has on the hippocampus .

One of the nice effects of Calea is the mild euphoria and relaxing effect it has. As always though, people with anxiety which relates to the body (panic disorder, etc.) should start in small doses of Calea to avoid any panic.

I had been using this herb for a few weeks up until the point at which I will now describe. I went to bed to chill at around 1 am, straight after reaching the end of my 2 gram smoke-a-thon, and completed a grounding exercise to tie my energy to the earth. Sleep came soon after I laid down.

I remember perceiving some dreams...passing through the stages of sleep...moving through the timelessness of it all...my first experience of Calea I learned afterwards, was around 3-3:30 am.

I had woken up. I was looking up at the ceiling in the very dim quite northern, northern hemisphere summer light that was oozing slowly through the blinds hanging up over the window. There were 3 soft knocks at my bedroom door. There could be nobody there. I knew this. I also was not alarmed. Rising from bed was just like rising out of bed, the duvet moved against my bare legs as they slid out and my left arm moved in an arc to shift the duvet off my body. I was up and walking to the door.

I remember noticing that my vision was very blurred around the periphery. I could see and focus on things, but my full scope of vision was not present. There was more light in the room. Again, I didn't question this.

I reached for the door handle with my right hand and my hand moved straight through the door handle. I heard a voice from behind the door which told me that I couldn't use my hand on the door. I understood, but also questioned myself as to how I could open the door. The voice came through the door as I was wondering this and now was on my side of the door. The voice could be felt as if it was there, but not there. I guess it was what a magnetic force would be like. Non-visible, but with a force of movement. The voice was also more like intention. It felt like it was inside me, but it was outside at the same time. Like an idea to do something, but which was projected into me from outside.

A long time ago, I suffered from insomnia. My college exams were coming up, and I really needed to sleep and get my sleep pattern into something like a pattern and less like random bouts of unconsciousness. My Doc gave me some stuff called Zolpidem, which I discovered had an interesting effect in increasing my ability to visualize with my eyes closed. One of my experiences with Zolpidem, was to feel myself falling into a vast dimly lit flesh tunnel, and observe as faces emerged from the walls of the tunnel. After falling for a while, I hovered in the air, to watch as a face came right out of the wall of the tunnel to inspect me closely, before moving back into the wall. I came to the realization a few days later, that this was my subconscious and as I was falling, it was rising, like trading places.

Anyway, as me and the voice were close to each other after it had moved through the door, faces began to press their way through the structure of my bedroom in a similar way that I had seen with the Zolpidem. I was also aware that there were two cold metal rods in each of my hands, and that my hands were closed around them.

The voice intuited to me that I could go further with it by relaxing my hands, and I could pull myself further back to where I was by tightening my grip on the metal rods. This was clearly the metaphor for anchoring, and it was also a sign that I had control.

As I began to relax, the structure of the room began to morph into a far more organic and biological system. There was a fast sense of movement, like falling, but the feeling was forward and not down. The rush was very intense, and I was tightening my grip on the metal rods because I could feel the dissolution of 'me' and my reality and it was all too fast. Having experienced LSD and Psilocybin, I was more accustomed to the gradually intensifying build of the cacophonous dissolving of the nature of self. In my dream this was in the space of a few heartbeats, which I guess is like a hit of DMT.

I had obviously tightened my grip way too much. I was falling softly and slowly back into myself. The view of the ceiling above my bed was melting into focus again, as the unreality of the voice world was melting out. Still I slowly drifted downwards into myself. And there I lay. Staring up at the ceiling. Still feeling as awake as I had been a moment ago, and very much aware that I had not opened my eyes at all, that they were still as open as they were in the voice world.

This is the description of what happened. Later I will post what I think this experience was, or at least, what it was to me.

Ostritt
05-25-2008, 09:35 PM
Wow, amazing report. Where did you get the dream herb from? I've been interested in trying it since Max mentioned it on the show a while ago.

cyberia2012
05-26-2008, 10:02 AM
Thank you Ostritt. There are many gaps in the podcasts that I have listened to, so I will try and listen to them all over the coming weeks.

I have read many contradictory reports from Calea with some people getting no experience at all from the herb, while others regularly emerge into lucid dreams. Whether the herb itself causes an effect, or whether the intention causes it I don't know. I am eager to experience a similar effect and have been smoking, but am yet to reach to same place I mentioned above. I believe the process to involve strong intention and possibly the right bio-rhythms.

I started buying Dream Herb from Ebay, but the quality was quite poor. I've now discovered a small herb/pagan shop close by that can supply some nice product. It's not expensive either, and I regularly buy 25g for £6.

dopefiend
05-26-2008, 10:32 AM
great post cyberia, you wouldn't know what temp to vape it at would you?

cyberia2012
05-26-2008, 10:42 AM
Thank you Dopefiend. Llamabox posted some vap temps for herbs already, and he recomends Calea: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F).

Entheogenic Scientist
05-26-2008, 02:41 PM
Great post cyberia2012. :)

I’m going to give this herb a try. I don’t have a vaporiser or a pipe so do you think it would be okay to smoke like a regular joint? Where do you buy your vegetable cellulose rolling papers?

cyberia2012
05-26-2008, 02:59 PM
Thank you Scientist. If your smoking like a joint, try an alternative to tobacco. Some non-psychoactive burning herbs would be better.

You can buy veg papers from any Headshop I'm sure. Happy dreams!

cyberia2012
05-26-2008, 03:26 PM
Having had a chance to reflect on this experience, I have come to some conclusions that may or may not be right or wrong.

I'm sorry if this is boring or over written, I just thought it would be good to share.

I was not sure if the experience that I had was an out of body experience, or an into mind experience. Now having a chance to meditate upon this, I believe that it was a combination of both, like a projection of subconscious and an out of body experience simultaneously.

My biggest fear during this experience was not of letting go, but of the speed at which the letting go happened. Looking back though, I was given control over where I went. I don't know if this would have maintained if I had let go completely. Would the rods in my hand have fallen away from me? Would I be able to interface with some other mean of returning to where I was speeding away from? I don't know. But, the voice intuited that I could decide.

Because the voice was my subconscious, I believe that ultimately it was a part of my whole being. Therefore it wanted me to follow it, but wanted this part of me to have a choice. I could feel the dissolution of boundaries speeding so fast, and would I join with or fuse with the voice? The voice was also a projection of my own thought, and not some alien intelligence. Neither did it feel dark in any way, or oppressive. I have come to the conclusion that "I" wanted "me" to follow, so even if something happened in there to "me", "I" would still be there and have control in "I's" domain. God that sounds weird.

From what I've read, my hand moving through the door handle, and also falling and melting back into my body at the end of the experience, are typical out of body experiences.

The rod's in my hand were definitely metal. They were about 4 inches long, and cold as steel. In Chinese philosophy the metal element is of the earth, it is powerful and determined and tends to the controlling. It is of the material world, and me gripping the rods, was intensifying my attachment to it. The shape itself, the rod shape, is like a wand or a conductor of some sort. The rods, while at first seemed quite strange, now make perfect sense to me.

So, possibly, I have left my body to journey to a third place, to meet a projection of my own subconscious which gave me an option to control the dissolution of the boundaries of the conscious "me".

OK, that's enough. Sorry to bore you if I have. It's pretty cool to be able to have a forum that I can write this stuff, my thoughts, and not be flamed for it :) But, I can get a little carried away with my own introspection!

max_freakout
05-26-2008, 05:41 PM
I have read many contradictory reports from Calea with some people getting no experience at all from the herb, while others regularly emerge into lucid dreams.


yes like salvia, many people are completely immune to it

braha_kahn
05-27-2008, 04:16 AM
I think it has more to do with the potential of remembering dreams then the plant itself (heavily imho of course)

If you can't remember dreams the substance you take to get lucid can be so powerful like you want it to be, you wont remember it...

Lethal_Hobo
05-27-2008, 11:52 AM
Wow. Amazing read!

I wonder if Calea Zacatechichi would be a good indoor plant for growing. I know little about the plant... do you smoke the leaves or is there a flower to smoke?

dopefiend
05-27-2008, 02:15 PM
Following your report cyberia I'm utterly fascinated by this stuff- please keep us up to date with further experiences too- maybe if you have more of these types of story you might be an interesting guest on Psychonautica.

Calea is available from EveryoneDoesIt, which I can recommend as a very reliable online headshop. If you buy some using this link, we'll get a portion of the profits which we put towards our hosting bills and making more podcasts.

Buy Calea Zacatechichi here (http://scripts.affiliatefuture.com/AFClick.asp?affiliateID=85076&merchantID=59&programmeID=149&mediaID=807&tracking=&url=http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/online_headshop/Calea_Zacatechichi_Dream_Herb.cfm?iProductID=5069)

cyberia2012
05-27-2008, 04:29 PM
I have found an interesting study which indicates that the test group had a much greater number of dreams than did the placebo groups.

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=10

This report also describes an alternative technique of extraction using methanol (the methanol extraction group also had heightened color perception within their dreams).

cyberia2012
05-27-2008, 04:36 PM
I think it has more to do with the potential of remembering dreams then the plant itself (heavily imho of course)

If you can't remember dreams the substance you take to get lucid can be so powerful like you want it to be, you wont remember it...

Yes, I think this is right also braha_khan. But the mere process of remembering more dreams can be a powerful guide to experiencing our subconscious. The lucidity that I felt was framed by the dream vision of my subconscious. Like this, I was not the architect of the dream but the tourist in that land.

I heard something that T McKenna said in a talk broadcast by Lorenzo where Terrence said, words to the effect of, that if we could remember our dreams perhaps the world would change over night.

cyberia2012
06-08-2008, 08:55 AM
Been laying off the Calea for the last couple of weeks, since a nice new batch of MJ was available from my local, ahem, dispensary.

Back on it this week and will post anything that's out of the ordnary.

pete21
09-09-2008, 02:54 PM
This site might be of interest...

http://caleazdreams.com/