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Pothead
12-16-2007, 07:51 PM
someone was asking about is weed better grown in or out and ive just come across this..

Organic Outdoor Grown cannabis produces more volume, stronger potency and is earth friendly.

With the proliferation of hydroponics shops urging people to set up their own indoor grow rooms, and local authorities implementing regulations regarding cannabis gardens, it is time to take a closer look at the benefits of Organic Outdoor Grown (OOG) cannabis.

1. Energy - 1/2 ton coal = 8 ounces bud

The key driver of photosynthesis is light, so no matter how perfect the fertilizer mix, grow medium, and environment, growth is still limited to the amount of light available. How much electricity is required in the attempt to simulate the sun with electric lights? Let's look at the fossil fuel required to power a single 1000-watt grow light. Using a typical 10-week indoor cycle of 2 weeks vegetative at 18 hrs per day, then 8 weeks flowering at 12 hours per day, power consumption will be as follows:

Vegetative: 1kw x 18 hrs = 18 kwh x 14 days= 252 kwh (kilowatt hour)
Flowering: 1kw x 12 hrs = 12 kwh x 56 days = 672 kwh
Total = 924 kwh for a single 1000 watt light, add ventilation to round up to 1 mw per light, per cycle.

Pile of CoalOne kilogram of coal makes about 2 kwh of electricty, so this single light will require 500 kilograms, or about a half-ton of coal (or 400 pounds of natural gas) to power one grow light for one cycle.

While some claim up to a half-gram or more of usable bud per watt, yield from a short 10-week cycle is more likely to produce about 4 ounces. Let's compromise and say we will get 8 ounces of usable bud. Is burning a half-ton of coal (or 400 lbs of natural gas) a good way to get less than one pound of bud? Can these few ounces of buds be truly called “organic” when the light used to grow them consumed a half-ton of coal (or 400 pounds of natural gas) to generate the electricity?

Indoor cannabis produces less volume and lower potency despite the vast amount of electricity required to bring in a crop because the actual lumens the plants get is only a fraction of that available from natural sunlight.


2. Toxicity

If indoor plants are grown in soil there will almost certainly be an aphid/mite problem. Chemicals will probably be used that may include systemics like Abamectin that are nuero toxins, pyrethroid (the synthetic version of natural pyrethrum), and Carbaryl under various brand names and concoctions. These synthetic insecticides have been linked to harmful health effects in humans, but perhaps more importantly threaten the food chain itself because they are extremely toxic to bees and aquatic life, both of which are key to the food chain and our existence on earth.

If the plants are grown using hydroponics (including rock wool and coir), it is important to note that most fertilizer solutions used in hydroponics are urea based. Urea is derived from petroleum and natural gas. Read the label, if you see the word, or a derivative of it, ask yourself, can this be used to grow organic bud?

Healthy plants resist pests and disease. While pests are present in an outdoors garden, natural predators are abundant and Integrated Pest Management (IPM) techniques very effective. Healthy soil has the full package of nutrients and trace minerals required for healthy plant growth. Exotic hydro solutions that are urea based anyway go to great lengths attempting to provide thousands of minerals and nutrients that occur naturally in healthy soil.

3. Mold

The powder mold challenge is second only to aphids/mites for indoor cannabis crops. Even well ventilated rooms cannot replicate the sanitizing value of dry air and bright sunshine. Left unchecked, powder mold can ruin a crop and it loves a poorly ventilated room with high humidity and stressed plants.

Building mold also loves a moist, warm, poorly ventilated environment; such as an indoor grow room. This mold causes property damage that costs money to clean up and can lead to health problems.

4. Safety

High wattage lights, ventilation, pumps, fans and other electrical devices all need adequate electrical wiring beyond that normally found in homes. Most 110-volt residential circuits are rated at 15 Amps and are quickly overloaded with more than one grow light per circuit. Often substandard wiring and extension cords are used to overcome tripping breakers creating a very real fire and electrical shock hazard. Large tanks full of fertilizer solution are heavy and may leak or spill over, causing floor damage and increasing the electrical shock hazard.

5. Security

In residential areas neighbors of grow houses are rightly concerned about attracting criminals intent on breaking in and stealing the crop. What if they break in to the wrong house? What if there is gunfire, will a stray bullet catch their sleeping child? Please note, the backyard of a residential house may not be a suitable place to grow cannabis either, and if not done in a very secure structure with excellent odor control could actually attract thieves with the pungent odors emitted during flowering.

Property values are affected by the diminishing value due to damages and neglect, and as mentioned before, the crop is a prime target for thieves. The short indoor cycle’s low yield and potency leads to high plant counts, which can be used to increase a sentence in the unfortunate event of a bust. Remember, even baby clones count in court.

6. Volume

Everyone knows outdoor produces more volume, but how much more? Granting the often cited 1/2 gram per watt, the best indoor grower will produce about a pound per light. Each light will cover 32 square feet, so one pound per 32 square feet. Keep in mind, most growers only get about half that, 8 ounces, as discussed above under Energy. Outdoor plants, in the ground, will routinely produce 3 to 4 times that amount in the same amount of space with fewer plants.

7. Quality

An outdoor cycle starts in the Spring and harvest is early Fall, about 6 months, which allows about 4 months from when flowering begins to finished buds with fully ripened trichomes. The longer cycle explains the increase in volume, but what about potency? Using a 60x lighted microscope buds are examined to monitor the expression of thc trichomes. They start out clear and grow in size over time. As the plant matures the trichomes continue to grow and change from clear to cloudy. When ready for harvest they begin to turn amber and collapse or fall over. Maturity and maximum production are not reached until a full 90 days or more after the onset of flowering. Therefore, indoor crops with less than 90 days flowering time will produce less volume, the trichomes will be smaller, and more (if not all) will be clear. It is commonly held belief that the effect of cannabis with mostly clear trichomes will be more cerebral and "up" while the effect of cannabis with a greater percentage of cloudy to amber trichomes will be stronger and have more of a "body stone" with increased appetite, "munchies", and induces sleep. In other words, if the goal is just to get high perhaps indoor is a good choice, but if you are looking for that couch lock dreamland of pain relief, a mature organic outdoor grown choice will better serve your needs. In any case, a longer outdoor cycle will increase the density and volume of trichomes, thereby increasing potency.

8. Edibles

Indoor grown cannabis seems unsuitable for conversion to concentrates intended for human consumption due to the high risk of ingesting toxins from fertilizers, pesticides and molds common to most indoor cannabis gardens. Currently, there is no regulatory body or organization to certify organic cannabis growers or methods while there is a myriad of toxic products marketed to cannabis growers by promising increased yield and potency. Desperate growers give in and use the product they can get that kills the pest, and some self-proclaimed experts even openly recommend products like Avid™ and Sevin™ to control aphids and mites.

Outdoor cannabis grown using organic practices is the kind safest for conversion to Outdoor Grown Cannabis Plantconcentrates intended for human consumption in food.

9. Cost

Lights, fans, timers, tanks, pumps, containers, grow media, special nutrients, property damage, and energy all cost money. It can take several crops to recover the investment, and one mistake or accident can result in a total loss or even worse, may include costly property damage. With Organic, Outdoor Grown Cannabis the only cost is fertilizer, seed, water and Integrated Pest Management (IPM).

10. Joy

Nothing can replicate the shear joy of growing and harvesting a plant from seed to a towering monster with pounds of buds. The cannabis plant is a vigorous annual that wants plenty of room, good soil, sunshine and 6 moons to fully mature and deliver the entire non toxic earth friendly gift it has to offer.


Fuel needed to run a 100W light bulb for a year (876 kWh)
* 400 kg (876 lb) of coal
* 230 kg (508 lb) of oil
* 170 kg (377 lb), 255 m³, of natural gas
* .006 kg (.014 lb) of uranium
* .0000075 kg (.000016 lb) of the Sun


peace

farmux
12-16-2007, 09:07 PM
i have a few problems with this blokes reckoning

A Flowering: 1kw x 12 hrs = 12 kwh x 56 days = 672 kwh ok were using a 1000w light for comparison he then says "While some claim up to a half-gram or more of usable bud per watt, yield from a short 10-week cycle is more likely to produce about 4 ounces. Let's compromise and say we will get 8 ounces of usable bud"

hahaha this is crap expect 16- 18 oz from a 600w light more from a 1000w

B indoor cannabis produces less volume and lower potency. Maybe lees volume but
rock hard nugs of much higher quality please tell me if im wrong??

C indoor plants are grown in soil there will almost certainly be an aphid/mite problem again rubbish your more likely to have pest outdoors thats where they bloody live!! grow rooms are kept sterile to stop pests and mould

D The powder mold challenge is second only to aphids/mites for indoor cannabis crops. See above zzzzzzzz
blah blah blah blah well biased in my opinoin

Really wed all love to live in jamaica and grow organic weed in the mountains but i live in a city ffs!!

where did you find him pothead man?

Pothead
12-17-2007, 09:49 AM
here

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/12/16/18467278.php

it says at the bottom that most of the sources are wikipedia.org


ive never grown so i couldn't tell you if the facts and figures are 100% correct or not, i just came across it after someone asking about growning in or out

peace

cereus
12-19-2007, 08:32 PM
In my experience pot grown outside (and greenhouse) produce way more product than indoor crops and the price is virtually free, and the quality is good, only the most hardened smokers complain. Ok the buds is often not as compact or big in northern climates but the added growth ads up so the weight of the end product is far greater pr plant than indoor crops. Very little work can give you more than you can consume until the next harvest season.

But there are of course downsides, the crop can be found by the wrong persons, the whether can be exceptionally bad some years giving low yields and pests can be a problem.
But overall the only reasons to take a crop inside are to stop detection and to be able to grow less tolerant plants in harsh climates. Growers would if cannabis were legal still be growing indoors for many reasons but the main crops would be flowered outside or inn greenhouses this is at least my belief.

A. The sun is free, ergo the bud is free and as to weight I don’t know, but one plant I saw filled the backseat and trunk of a ford Granada. And it took four blokes the whole night to clean and sort.
B. Ok out side do produce smaller buds (shorter season) and maybe lower overall potency, but this is strain dependent and also factors such as fertilisers and size of plant play a role. Some outside grown bud I have tasted can absolutely compare to most of the weed sold in Amsterdam.
C. Pests is always a problem but often a bigger problem in a indoor setting when it occurs, out side both pests and their natural enemies live side by side and only weak plants and plants grown during bad years is badly affected. And it is possible to remedy every thing and one can have greater spacing between plants out side so it can be easier to contain an infestation. Life is not sterile and some plants can thrive even as their neighbour is devoured by some nasty pest.
D. Mould is generally not a problem outside if the plants is adapted to living outside and sturdy enough, but rightly this problem is probably the reason most people think outside grown cannabis is less potent, because most people in northern climates is forced to harvest before the plant has reached its full potential.

I find the only reason to grow indoors is to avoid detection and to prolong the growing season

Podders
12-20-2007, 08:31 AM
In my experience pot grown outside (and greenhouse) produce way more product than indoor crops and the price is virtually free, and the quality is good, only the most hardened smokers complain.

Gotta agree with you on that point (I seem to agree with every post on this forum), if I couldn't grow outside I don't think I'd be able to afford an indoor grow. Keeping temps up when it's minus whatever outside etc.

It's all good.

Podders "Sat huddled around a candle with a bad cold"

Pothead
12-20-2007, 08:42 AM
it doesn't have to cost a lot to grow indoors its just how much work you want to do meaning more work less cost, less work more cost, use thinks around you to make things rather than buy them;)


peace

pete21
12-20-2007, 07:40 PM
What must the carbon footprint be from of the war on drugs?

Think of the carbon footprint in terms of what is done to catch folks and what folks do to avoid being caught.

Compared to having a few plants growing in one's yard, it must be tremendous.

Want to go green, legalize the green!

bigstu
12-20-2007, 08:02 PM
u are all mad i think my self i like to grow indoors and get betterr herb that way but i have nothing agenst outdoor growers but the herb is loos and not as full as my hydro lol but i am going to say that but lol. as for cost what cost when u got all the kit u need there is not a lot to bye and herb all year round every 2 months 6-7 harvests a year y not when u get 1 grow a year and i get 18-20 oz per plant so u can do it indoors ... but eney way have fun and keep growing p.s pothead gets some good info so lisen all take note need more like him look after ur self ph and all the crew and see u all in dam 420 here we come jah blesss upp brappp :cool::D:rolleyes:

Canadabis
12-20-2007, 08:47 PM
thanks pothead, that was a great post. I too think that outdoor grown bud is far more ecologically conservative, and all need to be thinking in these terms of energy flow etc.. I really like the logical nature to your argument pothead. It would be cool to compare the weight output vs. energy of weed (indoor/outdoor) to say a tomato or any other vegetable's energy intensity (indoor/outdoor). And a further idea to look into is the energy ratios for growing 'inbetween' indoors and outdoors, i.e. in a greenhouse of some kind, using a synergy of passive and active energy sources. I wonder what Zandor thinks of all this..hmmm

Very cool.

Pothead
12-21-2007, 07:46 AM
thanks guys, im just a mind of information pothead is my name pot is my game;)

peace