HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset

[llamabox]

1. Scrape seed coating off and run through flame lightly.
2. Wash seeds. (Let dry)
3. Grind seeds.
4. Place ground seed into empty teabag. Tie bag closed with the string.
5. Prepare a few ounces of ICE cold distilled water and lemon juice.
6. Dip bag in water and agitate 6-30 minutes with a spoon.
8. (DISCARD TEABAG) strain liquid through coffee filter.
9. Drink the LSA extract.

(NOTES)
You may need to use additional seeds to compensate for the loss of LSA in the extraction. About 1/4-1/2 more seeds is ROUGHLY needed. The longer you agitate the teabag, the stronger and more efficient the extract will be. BUT you may experience more nausea/body-load. Drink the tea SLOWLY to minimize any side effects



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I ordered 50 seeds from Bouncing Bear Botanicals, and the first night I tried them, I peeled the fuzzy outer covering off of the seeds and ate eight of them with a friend of mine. We ate 2 every 15 minutes for an hour, and the trip didn't set in for at least another hour. We chewed the seeds until it was time to eat two more, so we were basically chewing for an entire hour straight. We got horrible nausea and didn't trip that hard at all, but it was still enjoyable.

Last night, we did this following method, and some of you mind find this helpful. None of us (3) got nausea AT ALL, and we all tripped really, really hard with a very quick onset and a very long peak. Personally, I will never dose HBWR any other way.

1) Peel the fuzzy outer covering off of your seeds.
2) Grind in a coffee grinder into a fine powder.
3) Let soak in a few tablespoons of pure lime juice for 30 minutes in a decent sized drinking glass, mixing every 10 minutes.
4) After 30 minutes, mix the lime juice with a good amount of orange juice.
5) Drink slowly, swishing around in your mouth like mouth wash, but you don't have to overdo it.
6) The last mouthful will be a lot of the hard, ground up powder. You can opt to chew it, but none of us did, we all chugged it, and tripped fine.

Within 20 minutes, you'll begin to feel the onset of the trip. It'll come on hard, and you'll be already be tripping before the nausea has a chance to kick in [or perhaps the lime juice killed the nauseating chemicals?]. Either way, you won't feel sick.

[ThaiNamePeeWitt]

Last night, we did this following method, and some of you mind find this helpful. None of us (3) got nausea AT ALL, and we all tripped really, really hard with a very quick onset and a very long peak. Personally, I will never dose HBWR any other way.

1) Peel the fuzzy outer covering off of your seeds.
2) Grind in a coffee grinder into a fine powder.
3) Let soak in a few tablespoons of pure lime juice for 30 minutes in a decent sized drinking glass, mixing every 10 minutes.
4) After 30 minutes, mix the lime juice with a good amount of orange juice.
5) Drink slowly, swishing around in your mouth like mouth wash, but you don't have to overdo it.
6) The last mouthful will be a lot of the hard, ground up powder. You can opt to chew it, but none of us did, we all chugged it, and tripped fine.

Within 20 minutes, you'll begin to feel the onset of the trip. It'll come on hard, and you'll be already be tripping before the nausea has a chance to kick in [or perhaps the lime juice killed the nauseating chemicals?]. Either way, you won't feel sick.

How many seeds per person?
Cheers

[llamabox]

1 HBWR seed has about 0.25mg LSA
1 Morning Glory (I. violacea) seed has about 0.01mg LSA.

(LSA (ergine) is 1/10th as Potent as LSD-25 by weight):
Threshhold 0.2 mg
Common 0.5- 1.5 mg
Strong 1.5 - 4.0 mg
Heavy 4.0 mg
Do Not Dose More Than 4.0mg

Ergine: to get 1 good " Hit"* we need 100ug x 10 = 1mg ergine
(ergine is 1/10 potency of LSD). Thus we need 1.36 g of MG seeds (~100 seeds)
for one good hit, or 0.74 grams of HBWR seeds (~4 seeds).

Onset: 2 Hours or so to peak.
Duration : 10 - 14 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 24

[BlackBeauty]

When I did this with mufungo, we scraped, soaked then drank/chewed about 15 HBWR seeds each.....much prefer llamabox's method here, I just think of the method we use and it makes me want to chuck!

[Entheogenic Scientist]

When I did this with mufungo, we scraped, soaked then drank/chewed about 15 HBWR seeds each.....much prefer llamabox's method here, I just think of the method we use and it makes me want to chuck!

I'm going to give the scrape, soak and drink method a shot. I don't have a coffee grinder but i do have a black-pepper grinder. You used 15 seeds? Did someone advise you to use this many? How long did the trip last?

[BlackBeauty]

After looking at erowid, we used about 20 seeds each and the trip lasted about 7 or 8 hours....

[Xochipilli2012]

Yo Llamabox,

That's some very intriguing info there--I may have to give HBW another go someday. I pretty much gave up on them once I started growing p. cubensis, which I generally find way more enjoyable with less stress on the body.

Still, I've had many a good time with HBW. In fact, they were my first "psychedelic" ever, and I developed my own method for consuming them without nausea that has worked pretty well over the years.


Scrape off seed coating--usually with a #2 exacto (pen-style) knife. Pinching the seeds would give me a small blister in the grasping index finger after 10 seeds or so. (But I managed to never slice my fingers with the knife blade!)
Wrap seeds up in some aluminum foil. I'd usually do around 10 seeds, 5 minimum.
Smash wrapped up seeds with a hammer on a hard surface.
Open foil and dump out powdered seeds--trying not to smell them. (Otherwise, wretching will ensue.)
Carefully put powdered seeds into 2-3 gel caps.
Pop capsules on an empty stomach. Follow with water or juice.
Trip hard for 6-8 hours.


The first time I ever did them I chewed up five of them after scraping off the fuzzy seed coating. I was amazed at how stoned I got! But the taste and smell were so weird that after the second or third session, I could no longer chew them without starting to wretch. So I developed methods for crushing them. I've also used a mortar and pestle, and even a pair of pliers. But never a coffee grinder. Might want to give that a try next time (if there is a next time).

Thanks again for the tips, LB!

peace...

[Scentless Apprentice]

Is there a big difference between Merremia tuberosa and Argyreia nervosa. They are both HBWR according to Erowid.org

[FreedomFighter]

my experience with dosing has been like;

3 is good for first timers (having done no other 'psychedelics')
4 is what i do for a fun trip that doesn't pull you out of this reality.
7 is the number for a crazy trip of feeling torn in between (you'll know what i mean)
15 is fucking nuts.

i don't roast seeds, i just scrape them. i am personally very susceptable to the nausea, heres what i do:
15-25 minutes after eating the seeds (that i crushed in water in a mortar & pestle), i make something light, like ramen noodles (without the flavoring), or crackers, and munch in little bits over the course of the next 1.5-2.5 hours
don't eat so much that it nullens your trip, bit just enough to keep your stomach active and distracted

i'm looking forward to trying the lime juice :D

[Nev039]

Reading this is getting me thinking about taking some of the seeds i have left from my last purchase, it has been a while since my last trip with hbwr which was nice but almost ruined by nausea. For the next trip if I decide to take it I think i will use a method I remember reading about a while back. It involves letting crushed seeds sit in ginger beer for about six hours and then straining and drinking the ginger beer. The extraction and ginger are both in theory suppose to help with the nausea. If i do decide to try this i will post a report to let you know how effective this method is. Peace.